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Ringbelles Retro: Cheerleader Melissa v Mercedes Martinez

Cheerleader Melissa Mercedes MartinezThe title of this week’s Retro should be enough of a mouth-watering prospect, but it’s also a nice snapshot into what is roughly the mid-points in the respective ongoing careers.

This contest between Cheerleader Melissa and Mercedes Martinez comes from June 2006 and is part of a fundraiser show – but despite it not having the name of a big promotion overseeing it, the pair leave it all in the ring in a contest which looks like it opened the eyes of a number of fans in the audience.

As of right now, both Mercedes and Melissa are riding high – Martinez holds the NCW Femmes Fatales International Championship and Melissa is enjoying her second reign as SHIMMER Champion. Both will represent SHIMMER at the Bellatrix 7 iPPV on October 6 in Norwich, England, with Mercedes defending her title against Miss Mina, while Melissa takes on longtime foe Saraya Knight in a non-title contest. You can order the event at a discounted price by clicking here.

On a side note, one of the commentators calling the match is the late “Sweet And Sour” Larry Sweeney. It’s nice to hear his voice again. (more…)


Wrestling… YAY! – The love affair with SHINE

Rain v JHavSHINE 12 has been and gone, and I got to thinking of the last 12 months or so on the promotion.

Before SHINE Wrestling existed, my connection to the wrestling overseas was limited. I mean, sure I had DVDs but it wasn’t really the same. The events came recommended to me always with the tag line of “You really have to see xxx v xxx it’s AMAZING!” Nothing is quite like experiencing a liveshow with your friends.

That’s the beautiful thing about SHINE – the concept that I can watch this show with the guys from Ringbelles, who are in a completely different country and we can all react to the same thing at the same time is incredible. I know, technology right? Whodathunkit? I can chatter about the shows excitedly on social media (mostly Twitter) and connect with so many like-minded (or not so!) individuals around the world, which makes the shows so much more exciting for me.

SHINE weekends have become a highlight for me. Catch up with good friends and watch great wrestling. Thank goodness for Skype & Twitter – I’d be totally lost without them. (more…)


SHINE 12 Live Results: Rain defends her title against winner of Three Way (Updated with thoughts & pictures)

shine12_08232013_ippvTonight, one month removed from their first anniversary show (and the crowning of the first SHINE Champion in the shape of Rain), SHINE Wrestling returns to its home base at The Orpheum in Ybor City, FL for SHINE 12. A bit of a curious card this, as other than the situation surrounding the title – where Jessicka Havok, Mia Yim and Ivelisse Velez will battle in a three way match for a shot at Rain’s title on the same night – much of the rest of the show seems to have hit a reset button, with no real issues to be settled on the rest of the show. However, with a highly rated debutante in the shape of Portugal’s Perfect Athlete Shanna and the return of the always show-stealing Kimber Lee (along with the first showing of Daffney‘s A.S.S. as a unit), there’s plenty of potential for a good show. Oh yeah, and two of independent wrestling’s biggest and most talented names get it on as Mercedes Martinez renews her old rivalry with Amazing Kong.

Has that whetted your appettite? You can order the show either live, on demand, or even with an accompanying DVD of the event from WWNLive.com, but otherwise, click through past the cut and follow along with our live results. (more…)


New SHINE Championship contender to be set at SHINE 12; will challenge Rain on the same night

SHINE 12 posterThat’s better. I was a little concerned that the undercard of SHINE 12 was a bit weak and haphazard when I was writing it up yesterday. There are still questions about some of the matches like why Kimber Lee and Kimberly are wrestling beyond the gag with their similar names, and what injustice the West Coast Connection has that Daffney’s All Star Squad needs to right, but the big money matches have been revealed following a pair of promos by SHINE’s Champion and its VP of Talent Relations.

The first video came from Rain, who said that because there was no clear number one contender she was not going to be defending her belt at the August 23 show in Ybor City, FL. This didn’t sit well with Lexie Fyfe, who announced that a new challenger would be determined during the broadcast.

Mia Yim, Ivelisse Velez and Jessicka Havok are the three women involved as they were deemed to have made the most progress in the SHINE 11 title tournament. Yim was the defeated finalist, while Ivelisse could have made the finals had she not been the victim of an errant shot by her Valkyrie cohort Rain – and she also wrestled three matches in quick succession due to the layout of the show. Havok did not get a fair crack at Rain in the semi-finals due to being attacked during her entrance by Saraya Knight, so we’ll never know how she would have fared against the eventual champion.

The winner will face Rain for the title in the main event – which means the challenger will be battle-worn while the champion will go into the contest completely fresh. (more…)


SHINE 12 card finally announced

SHINE 12 posterWe say “finally announced” as SHINE Wrestling tends to be well on the ball with this sort of thing. With just nine days to go until the SHINE 12 iPPV, we now know most of the matches for the show on August 23 in Ybor City, FL.

Arguably the highest profile match sees former TNA Knockouts Champion Angelina Love taking on “Portugal’s Perfect Athlete” Shanna, who impressed a lot of people at Women Superstars Uncensored‘s Uncensored Rumble iPPV where she teamed with Chris Dickinson to fall to Addy Starr and Matt Tremont in mixed tag action and then went 30 minutes in the Rumble match itself, before coming back for the Combat Zone Wrestling iPPV in the evening in a losing effort to Nevaeh. Despite the defeats, she picked up a lot of new fans and should create a good deal of anticipation to see how she does against Love.

Elsewhere, Daffney‘s All Star Squad gets its first roll-out as Nikki Roxx and Solo Darling face the West Coast Connection of Su Yung and Tracy Taylor; Leva Bates steps into the ring against Christina Von Eerie, and Santana Garrett takes on the returning Brandi Wine, who last appeared at SHINE 8. Rounding off the announced matches is one which commentator Lenny Leonard is possibly going to struggle with – it’s SHINE’s resident loose screw Kimberly going up against the always-impressive Kimber Lee. Good luck with that, Lenny… (more…)


Bellatrix 7 card revealed: Bellatrix and Femmes Fatales titles on the line! Saraya vs Melissa! Plus, Bellatrix 8 debuts announced!

Courtney RushWe’ve just had the announcement of the full card for Bellatrix 7, featuring the five previously announced SHIMMER imports – along with an intriguing domestic return. Heading up the card will see the UK debut of the Bellatrix World Champion Courtney Rush (right), putting her title on the line against the RQW European Champion Liberty, fresh off her main event win at Bellatrix 6 – while Saraya Knight and Cheerleader Melissa return to Norfolk to (presumably) finally settle the 6+ year feud that first erupted in Great Yarmouth in January 2007.

Also, we will see the first overseas defence of the NCW:Femmes Fatales International Title as Mercedes Martinez will put her title on the line against Norwegian star Miss Mina. Along with the SHIMMER vs Bellatrix bouts, Erin Angel will defend her Bellatrix British Ladies Championship against the returning Sammi Baynes. Not sure who Sammi Baynes is? You may remember her as the other half of the Norfolk Dolls tag team with Britani KnightMelodi!

Click through for the full card. (more…)


Mercedes Martinez announced for Bellatrix v SHIMMER

Mercedes martinez Gilda PasquilParticipant number 4 has been announced for Bellatrix 7 – and just like LuFisto, Christina Von Eerie and Bellatrix World Champion Courtney Rush, it is someone who will be wrestling for the first time on British soil.

12-year veteran Mercedes Martinez has a huge litany of great matches, and ostensibly has tenure in some of the biggest all-women promotions in North America. She is a SHIMMER Original – helping to put the promotion on the map with her 20-minute draw with Sara Del Rey on volume 1 – was Women Superstars Uncensored‘s Champion for close to three years, is tearing up the scene for SHINE Wrestling and is currently the NCW Femmes Fatales International Champion, defeating Kalamity for the belt at Femmes Fatales XI back in March.

In recent years, the 32-year old has scaled back the number of promotions she wrestles for, but she is still a huge star – and as she discussed with us on an early Women Of Wrestling Podcast, was a fingernail away from signing a deal with WWE. he has also racked up stamps in her passport, competing in Australia and Japan in recent years. Incidentally, she was a fingernail away from debuting in the UK in March last year for the first Bellatrix show, but she wasn’t allowed access to the country. (more…)


Wrestling… yay! – The discovery of SHIMMER

38It was late 2011 when I watched my very first SHIMMER. It was Volume 37 and I am not going to lie, it was a bit of a blur. I marveled at the fact that this show catered for women’s wrestling, that the women… *actually* wrestled. There were no fart jokes, there was no nonsense timing of matches, this shit was serious and it was bloody awesome. I had always been a fan of women’s wrestling, but it was more aimed toward the Australian local scene (and with talents such as Madison Eagles and Kellie Skater, who could blame me?), I was used to seeing short matches on a card stacked with men, so to see SHIMMER match that went against the very grain of everything I knew, well: mind blown.

The main event for that show was Eagles v Mercedes Martinez. I think it’s pretty obvious in my third instalment of this column, that I am a pretty huge fan of Madison’s work and naturally this match was no exception. To see her in that match amongst her ‘own kind’ was spectacular and I was blown away with the high calibre of wrestling shown throughout the entire show. It was then I quickly realised, SHIMMER was the grand mecca of women’s wrestling. THIS was the place to be if you are a female wrestler and are damn serious about it. (more…)


SHINE 11 results – First champion crowned

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It’s finally arrived. After two shows of build-up – which has included eight qualifying matches – as well as one suspension (leading to another pull-out) and one injury withdrawal, SHINE Wrestling will crown the winner of tonight’s tournament as its first champion.

We discussed the show in this week’s Ringbelles Roundup and have also had a look at who we feel are the five most likely winners. In addition, we have also spoken to Valkyrie‘s Ivelisse Velez – who was one of our five picks – as part of the latest Women Of Wrestling Podcast.

The show is being broadcast live on iPPV at WWNLive.com – and you can still order the show by clicking here – but we will also be updating the results as the proceedings unfold, and will be offering thoughts on the show afterward. Click after the jump and keep hitting refresh to see the results as they happen. (more…)


A good half year for… a few others

A few others

So, you’ve seen our main six picks in our 2013 “A good half year for…” series – Kellie Skater, Ayumi Kurihara, Mickie James, Heidi Lovelace, Nikki Storm & Madison Eagles – and you can see even from those picks that we made our decisions on different criteria, and we stand by our picks as women who have all raised their stock since the turn of the year. However, the selection process of choosing a final six for full write-ups meant drawing up a longlist of potential picks, and we figured we’d wrap up the series by sharing a few of those women we thought had a great six months, but fell just below making the final six. Click through after the page break for… a few others. (more…)


NCW: Femmes Fatales XII Results: Martinez vs Sweet Cherrie; Melissa vs Rush; Kimber Lee & Von Eerie debuts

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We’ve got ongoing coverage of the latest NCW: Femmes Fatales show in Montreal, Quebec – headlined by the local challenge of Sweet Cherrie taking on Mercedes Martinez for the International Championship, along with the return from injury of LuFisto (after her injury at SHIMMER Vol 53 in April), as she takes on the debuting Kimber Lee. Also on the show, in a non-title battle of champions, the SHIMMER Champion Cheerleader Melissa takes on the Bellatrix Champion Courtney Rush for the right to be named #1 Contender to the FF Championship. Click through after the jump for all the goings-on. (more…)


A good half year for… Ayumi Kurihara

Ayumi Kurihara

A bit of a weird one this, I’ll grant you. Considering earlier this year, the 28 year old joshi puroresu standout announced her retirement from the sport due to nagging injuries (citing her 2007 clavicle injury in particular), you’d think Kurihara would be as far away from a discussion like this as it is possible to be – and while, yes, seeing a superb young talent being struck down in the prime of her career is a terribly sad thing, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody go on a more joyful final retirement road. Kurihara’s last six months in the business have seen her experience so much, achieve so much and do it all with a huge smile on her face. If she’s leaving wrestling, she’s packing an entire career’s worth of memories into 2013. (more…)


SHINE 10 results – title tournament qualifiers, and is Valkyrie’s grip on SHINE starting to weaken?

SHINE 10 posterWe know four of the competitors who will be part of the tournament to determine the first SHINE Champion. Saraya Knight, Jazz, Rain and Jessicka Havok all booked their slot by winning their qualifiers at SHINE 9 last month. However, one of those women is putting her position on the line this evening – Havok will face Portia Perez after the two engaged in a Twitter spat.

Elsewhere on the card, the remaining four title tournament slots will be determined, with Nikki Roxx, Allysin Kay, Leva Bates, Taylor Made, Mia Yim, Mercedes Martinez, Santana Garrett and Kimberly all vying to get into the tournament for the title. Rain will also wrestle Angelina Love again in a match where her Valkyrie cohorts will be banned from ringside, and Daffney – who quit as a ring announcer to become a manager again – will start to size up potential clients.

You can watch the event live on iPPV by clicking here – alternatively, click the jump and follow as we provide live results. (more…)


WOW Podcast #56 with LuFisto

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Episode 56 with LuFisto

On April 6th at the iPPV broadcast of SHIMMER Vol 53, Montreal’s “Super Hardcore Anime” LuFisto crashed out on a moonsault to the floor during her match – a landing which caused what is medically referred to as an “exploded kneecap”. Now, a month (and a surgery) later, LuFisto talks exclusively to the Women of Wrestling Podcast, and updates us on her current status. LuFi takes us back to that fateful afternoon and gives us a blow by blow account what happened in the ring, the immediate aftermath in the back and the days following. She’s also got an update on the injury status of her pupil Kalamity, who feared she had broken her foot in training in the last week. We talk about some of the things that she missed out on because of her injury, including SHIMMER the following weekend, her WSU World Title shot at Jessicka Havok and her being stripped of the NSPW Title. We talk rehab – including the part BonRoxx Fitness is playing in helping her get back to her best – and estimate her return date. We talk her experiences in AAA, her admiration for Konnan and her future in that company; her feud with Mercedes Martinez in WSU & NCW:FF; facing Saraya Knight and Jazz; taking on Ivelisse in SHINE and ambitions to face Tara some day. We also revisit the comments made by Al Snow following her Gut Check for TNA and her current feelings on the Gut Check Challenge voting, and there’s quite a deep discussion on LuFisto’s ever-changing relationship with the business, what it means to have “succeeded” in wrestling, and bring up the prospect of retirement. It’s a pretty exhaustive hour and a half with an awesome lady. Download, spread the word and enjoy.

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Remaining SHINE title tournament qualifiers announced for SHINE 10

SHINE 10 rosterAt SHINE 9, four women – Saraya Knight, Rain, Jessicka Havok & Jazz – qualified for the promotion’s upcoming title tournament due to take place in July. On May 24, the remaining four women will compete to qualify as part of the SHINE 10 lineup.

Fresh off her victory in the main event of SHINE 9, Leva Bates will look to get into the title hunt when she faces Valkyrie member Taylor Made. Elsewhere, the loser of the Arkham Asylum Cage Match, Kimberly, will look to get back to winning ways when she takes on SHINE’s rising star and ultimate baby face Santana Garrett.

Mercedes Martinez – who seems to have incurred the ire of Daffney through her actions at SHINE 9 where she gatecrashed and spoiled Nikki Roxx‘s birthday celebration – wrestles Mia Yim, who was part of the main event of SHINE 8 and was a sixth of the trios tag at SHINE 9, while Roxx rounds off the last of the qualifying matches, when she steps into the ring against Taylor’s Made In Sin tag team partner and fellow Valkyrie member Allysin Kay. (more…)


SHINE 9 results: Eagles vs Havok steals the show, plus Leva finally commits Kimberly to Arkham Asylum

Screen Shot 2013-04-20 at 05.27.13SHINE Wrestling returns to iPPV this evening with what is without doubt the most stacked card in company history – featuring, as it does, a Steel Cage Match main event to (presumably) cap off the long standing rivalry between Leva Bates & Kimberly, which currently stands at 2-2 after four matches (Bates won at SHINE 3, then after Kimberly turned heel at SHINE 5, she won their rematch at SHINE 6. On SHINE 7, Leva won a Last Woman Standing match, only to see Kimberly win the Fans Bring The Weapons/I Quit match at SHINE 8).

The show also sees the first Qualifying round of the SHINE Title tournament, which takes place at SHINE 11 in July – with eight hopefuls looking to advance to the single elimination tournament. In a first time ever dream match, Madison Eagles takes on Jessicka Havok, while Sweet Saraya Knight battles Su Yung. VALKYRIE stable members Rain & Ivelisse Velez will also see tournament action, against Jazz & Angelina Love respectively. And that’s not even all. Jump through after the page break to follow results as they come in from the Orpheum in Ybor City, FL. (more…)


SHIMMER Volumes 56 & 57 DVD taping results (now updated with thoughts and photos)

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After the events of yesterday, SHIMMER returns for its DVD tapings for volumes 56 and 57.

Expected to continue on from yesterday’s tapings include the quest by the Global Green Gangsters to secure another Tag Team Title shot at the Canadian Ninjas; Saraya Knight‘s reign of terror is being curbed by the officials; meanwhile, Jessicka Havok wants to leave more bodies in her wake, and Cheerleader Melissa is looking to retain the SHIMMER Championship. Also, these tapings mark the final matches for Allison Danger, who retires from the ring on volume 57.

As with yesterday, we will bring you results after the jump, along with pictures on thoughts on the show in due course. For now, click into the results and enjoy. (more…)


SHIMMER Volumes 54 & 55 DVD taping results (now updated with live thoughts and photos)

It's SHIMMER time again
It’s the kickoff to SHIMMER’s Vols 54-57 tapings in Berwyn, IL at the Eagles Club with Vols 54 & 55 being recorded today. We’ve got a big preview of the Vol 54 taping up already, and we’ll be updating this page with results after the conclusion of both of today’s volumes. As noted in the preview, we’ll be back with thoughts and pictures from the event at some point thereafter. Enjoy!
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Ringbelles Roundup (2 April 2013) – Femmes Fatales XI, SHIMMER Volume 53, WrestleMania XXIX & more

Mercedes Martinez NCW Femmes FatalesLast week, I repeated my previous assertion that two championships would change hands at NCW Femmes Fatales XI in Montreal, Quebec, Canada on Saturday. Lo and behold, that’s what happened – with the Bellatrix World Championship and the Femmes Fatales International Titles being won by Courtney Rush and Mercedes Martinez respectively.

Martinez’s victory over Kalamity is only part of her story in the show. She continued her cross-promotion feud with LuFisto following her defeat to the Super Hardcore Anime at Women Superstars Uncensored’s An Ultraviolent Affair in February by attacking her foe during LuFisto’s challenge for the SHIMMER title against Saraya Knight. The steel chair attack to LuFisto’s head was enough for Knight to lock in the Bridal Rocking Horse for the stoppage and retain the belt, meaning that no matter what happened with Mercedes’ challenge to Kalamity, the Martinez/LuFisto programme would continue.

As it turns out, the programme will likely feature the International Championship, as the Latina Sensation used a Fisherman Buster onto a steel chair to gain the pinfall and bring The Oncoming Storm’s 17-month reign to an end. (more…)


NCW: Femmes Fatales XI – Two new champions crowned; LuFisto/Martinez feud heats up further

Mercedes Martinez Kalamity NCW Femmes FatalesHistory is being made at the Centre St-Barthelemy in Montreal, Quebec tonight as NCW: Femmes Fatales offers up a card with international implications – putting three of the world’s female wrestling championships on the line. In the main event, Femmes Fatales International Champion Kalamity defends her title for the seventeenth time against longtime rival Mercedes Martinez.

In addition, Sweet Saraya Knight defends the SHIMMER Championship against LuFisto, just one week before stepping into a steel cage with Cheerleader Melissa at SHIMMER Vol 53, while Bellatrix World Champion Allison Danger returns to Femmes Fatales to put her title on the line against the suplex master Courtney Rush. Cheerleader Melissa, who was planning on a shot at Jessicka Havok‘s WSU World Title on this show will instead have her hands full with Allysin Kay.

Click through after the page break for live results as they come in, direct from Montreal. (more…)


Ayumi Kurihara to retire in August; comes to SHIMMER one last time in New Jersey for v53

Ayumi SHIMMERsThe wrestling community worldwide was shocked today as joshi superstar Ayumi Kurihara announced her forthcoming retirement at a press conference. Kurihara, 28, plans to retire at Korakuen Hall on August 4th. The reason for the retirement was given as a number of nagging injuries accumulated over a hard-hitting eight year career. Notably, she missed around a year and a half of action in 2007/8 with a broken clavicle suffered in a match in NEO (she still finished the match), and earlier this year suffered an orbital bone fracture in a match in WAVE. Kurihara said in her announcement today that she would not be happy competing at a level below her best, and that this has played a large part in her decision to retire.

However, some good news for fans of Kurihara – she will be competing in the USA one final time in just over one week’s time as part of SHIMMER Vol 53 at WrestleCon in Secaucus, NJ. Ayumi, a former SHIMMER Tag Team Champion, missed the October tapings last year, so this will be the first time she will compete under the SHIMMER banner in a year. The Vol 53 appearance will be a one-off, as she will not be at the Vol 54-57 taping block in Berwyn, IL the following weekend. Her opponent for Vol 53 has also been announced, and she will be taking on SHIMMER original Mercedes Martinez. The announcement of Ayumi completes the joshi lineup for the April SHIMMER tapings, with Ayako Hamada, Kana, Tomoka Nakagawa & the debuting Yuu Yamagata all already announced. (more…)


Ringbelles Roundup (26 March 2013) – Bellatrix growth, Femmes Fatales XI, WrestleMania

Bellatrix rosterNot making it to Bellatrix 5 in Norwich, England on Sunday may have been unfortunate, but it did provide me the opportunity to utilise the option to watch the show on iPPV. Considering a lot of the changes from Bellatrix 4 last November were being done because of this one being broadcast live, it was interesting to be able to assess if those changes were successful.

They were.

Improvements to aesthetics like giant wall hangings of the roster, an improved entranceway, ringside barriers and more attention paid to start and running times were coupled with the venue being a purpose-built TV studio with full-scale lights and sound systems, the Epic Studios in Norwich looked vastly different to 5 months ago. The benefit of it being a proper studio also made it easier for the show to be streamed online, as the facilities to broadcast were all there, and had been tried and tested with previous unrelated shows. As a result, Bellatrix 5 was one of the slickest women’s wrestling iPPVs produced to date. (more…)


SHINE 8 results: Valkyrie remain unbeaten, Havok forced to respect Sky, Bates/Kimberly in insane brawl

Shine8posterSince the formation of Rain‘s Valkyrie stable at SHINE 6, the group has been on a tear – going 3-0 against SHINE talent at SHINE 7 – but with the roster banding together against the renegades at the conclusion of the last show, and the addition of the debuting Angelina Love – it just might be the start of the turning of the tide – with the team of Angelina Love, Amazing Kong, Mia Yim & Christina Von Eerie combining to take on Rain (making her return from injury), Ivelisse and Made In Sin in the main event.

Also on the show, Kimberly and Leva Bates have each picked a “poison” for the other in their potentially feud-ending double stipulation match. Leva chose “Fans bring the weapons”, and Kimberly selected “I Quit”. High stakes also in the match between Reby Sky and Jessicka Havok, which is being billed as a “Career vs Respect” match. Simply put, if Havok beats Sky, Sky’s time in SHINE is over, but if Sky can overcome the larger, stronger and more vicious Havok, Havok will have to stand in the middle of the ring and admit on the mic that she respects Sky.

Follow results as they come in with us after the jump. (more…)


DVD Review: WSU An Ultraviolent Affair (9 February 2013)

WSU An Ultraviolent AffairWomen Superstars Uncensored kicks off its double header shows with Combat Zone Wrestling with a title defence by Champion Jessicka Havok against Athena, while Mercedes Martinez and LuFisto look to put their issues to rest in a Falls Count Anywhere Match.

Results
1. Nevaeh pinned Jessie Brooks (w/ Sammy Geodollno) with a bridging German Suplex.
2. Christina Von Eerie pinned Kimber Lee (w/ Annie Social) with a straight-jacket lungblower.
3. Uncensored Opportunity: Veda Scott pinned Niya with the Mind Trip, although Niya’s foot was on the ropes. Special referee Jana did not spot this.
4. Kalamity pinned Cherry Bomb with a Kalamity Driver.
5. Beyond Wrestling Showcase: Chris Dickinson pinned Addy Starr by reversing a Sliding D into a rollup. As part of the pre-match stipulation, Dickinson made Addy Starr “Kiss His Ass”.
6. WSU Championship: Jessicka Havok pinned Athena following a top-rope Air Raid Crash.
7. Falls Count Anywhere: LuFisto pinned Mercedes Martinez following a Burning Hammer through a table to the floor. (more…)